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Post  mark on Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:26 pm

Hi, I bought a scamp last year and the engine and box had been left upside down in a farmyard making them worthless. I have been offered a 1.3i engine and box, does anyone have any experience fittining these.

It is from a mini that has been scrapped because of the scrappage scheme. So I am able to buy the complete front half of the car which will give me all the wiring, front suspension, front disc brakes etc. it looks like it will fit quite easily and we are good at welding etc, just a bit worried about the wiring will this be a pain I am hoping we will be able to strip the wiring carefully and put it in the scamp.

Will we need to keep a cat converter or can we do away with this.

Any help would be appreciated, I am hoping to get the scamp on the road for the summer so I need to get on with it now.

Thanks Mark

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Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:37 pm

Hi Mark,

If you really do have a complete donor front half, it should be a doddle as the main job will be just to transfer the front subframe and everything on it. If old and new subframes have different (one vs. two bolt) mountings, this will complicate matters a bit but I think this has been discussed in another thread.

The wiring shouldn't be difficult. Mini looms are split into separate front and rear assemblies plugging together at the back of the engine compartment, so unless it was taken apart in too much of a hurry, your half mini should contain a complete front loom. Depending on the relative ages of this and the rear loom in your Scamp, there may be non-mating connectors to change, or slightly different colour codes to match up. Also depending on how your lights and instrument panel are laid out, a modicum of dissection and re-binding may be needed for a perfect fit.
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Post  mark on Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:27 pm

Thanks, the mini is still complete so we are going to cut it in half just behind the gearlever linkage. Its a real shame because the mini is quite a good one but because of the scrappage scheme it has to be cut up.

Good to know about the wiring before we cut the mini in half. We will be able to sort the lights out quite easily but it is the ECU etc I am worried about.

Will we need the cat converter to get the engine running properly, or can this be done away with???

Thanks

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Post  Gray on Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:29 pm

You may have to modify your fuel tank because I think the injection setup requires a return to the tank and also the fuel pump is next to the tank and not the one on the back of the engine!!

Be easy to check on the current car !

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Post  mark on Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:56 pm

Yes we will have a good look at the car just trying to find out as much as possible before we get there. i will try and get the fuel pump and tank as well. Hopefully going to get it in the morning so will know much more then. Thanks for your help.

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Post  wezgit daan saaf on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:05 pm

If the management system is o.k. it should bring the CO emmisions down to around 0.5%. The catalytic convertor will bring it down to 0.3% - 0% so,you would not realy need the catalytic convertor on an older car. The only thing you would need is the oxygen sensor which should be in the pipe before the cat,as this and the air flow meter or map sensor are the main things that control the mixture. The earlier injection A series engine were single point injection and the later ones had 2 injectors. And as said in the previous link, it would need a return to the tank. Hope this is of some help.
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Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:54 am

Its a real shame because the mini is quite a good one but because of the scrappage scheme it has to be cut up.

At least you get greenie points for recycling it!
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Post  Mk3rob on Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:29 pm

Make a trailer out of the rear end................now that is recycling Scamp Engine Replacement 1.3i Icon_biggrin
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Post  mark on Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:30 pm

Thanks for all the help, I now have the front half of the mini sat on the bench in the workshop. It is a multi point fuel intection engine from a late mini, A Real shame it was scrapped not much rust and in OK condition.

We are tidying up the wiring and are trying to start the engine before we remove it from what is left of the body.

I will try and post some pictures tomorrow of the engine and our scamp.

The back half is still at the scrap yard if you want to make a trailer, I did cut it in half with a felling axe so some bodywork may be needed.

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Post  Mk3rob on Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:40 pm

Hi Mark

I hope you are taking some before and after photo's.
Were always interestedon how projects are going and how people get round problems.

Good luck Rob
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Post  mark on Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:54 pm

Didnt get a chance to take any pictures today.

We do seem to of hit a problem that we didnt count on, the immobiliser does anyone know how to bypass it????

Thanks

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Post  wezgit daan saaf on Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:04 pm

Good luck with the project,I think it will be a first for a Scamp,a fuel injected A series one. Sent my aplication away today for the London to Brighton donor run!!
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Post  Martin & Nettie on Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:19 pm

Wasn't Jerry Harris's Mk3 a 1.3i ?
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Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:39 am

the immobiliser...
Is this the sort that reads an RFID chip in the original ignition key which you have got, haven't you?
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Post  mark on Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:15 pm

I have been busy at work however we have had to conceed defeat with the fuel injected engine we had, we where missing the RFD chip and there didn't seem to be anyway past the immobiliser, our back up plan was always to fit a distrubuter and a carb but it seems that is not possibly with the multi point fuel injection just the single point. Anyway you live and learn, the half a mini sold on ebay in 10 mins for what we paid for it.

Any one got any metros or engines boxes etc we could use for a donor. Must be a plain old carb unit had enough of hi tech stuff this week.

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Post  ZED on Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:01 am

Mark, you give up far too quickly.... Scamp Engine Replacement 1.3i Icon_wink


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Post  Martin & Nettie on Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:37 pm

I would have thought Reg would have knocked up a methane digestor by now to fuel your vehilcles with all the ***t you have lying around with your new job Scamp Engine Replacement 1.3i Lol
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Post  ZED on Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:04 pm

Don't even think of putting that idea into his head....

Although, he says the monster 160 brake horse power Scamp isn't fast enough, maybe he should go for brake cow power when he puts the Audi Turdbo in it? Scamp Engine Replacement 1.3i Icon_lol

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Post  Martin & Nettie on Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:45 pm

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