Not a Mini Moke

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTIN-MINI-MOKE-PICK-UP-SCAMP-1971-MINI-VAN-MINI-PICK-UP-ESTATE-COOPER-PROJECT-/380628045565?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item589f330efd

It really annoys me when people do not know what they are advertising

Read from bottom upwards

Dear mhmotorcyclebreakers,

Mokes were not kitcars. They were all steel. their side pods are approx. 9" thick.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=mini+mokes&qpvt=mini+mokes&FORM=IGRE

Below are picture of a Mk2 Scamp
https://2img.net/h/i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/71cambiker71/DSC01366.jpg

- rpkuk
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From: mhmotorcyclebreakers
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Sent Date: 23-Apr-13 20:33:36 BST


Dear rpkuk,

like you just said you build them your self so over the last 40 years i think it would be possible soe one could have changed the front end to something diffrent

- mhmotorcyclebreakers

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Dear mhmotorcyclebreakers,

I suggest that you view the web site I sent you.

The Mk2 and Mk3 Scamps were produced as kit cars (you built it your self) by Andrew Maclean.
You took all the Mechanics from a donor Mini and built the scamp onto them.
The Kit Cars have been going around for over 40 years now.
When Leyland stopped making Mini Mokes in this country a load of different kitcars were built by several companies.

A lot of Scamps etc are still registered as there donor vehicle. But why someone would scrap a Moke to make a Scamp beggers belief.

- rpkuk
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From: mhmotorcyclebreakers
To: rpkuk
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Sent Date: 23-Apr-13 20:07:09 BST


Dear rpkuk,

WHY

- mhmotorcyclebreakers

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From: rpkuk
To: mhmotorcyclebreakers
Subject: Re: Other: rpkuk sent a message about AUSTIN MINI MOKE PICK UP SCAMP 1971 MINI VAN MINI PICK UP ESTATE COOPER PROJECT #380628045565
Sent Date: 23-Apr-13 20:05:43 BST


Dear mhmotorcyclebreakers,

Because the V5 is wrong.

www.scampownersclub.co.uk

- rpkuk
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From: mhmotorcyclebreakers
To: rpkuk
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Sent Date: 23-Apr-13 20:03:56 BST


Dear rpkuk,

THEN WHY DOES IT SAY MINI MOKE PICK UP ON THE V5

- mhmotorcyclebreakers

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From: rpkuk
To: mhmotorcyclebreakers
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Sent Date: 23-Apr-13 15:02:47 BST


Dear mhmotorcyclebreakers,

What you have got there is a Mk2 Scamp.
Not a Mini Moke.

- rpkuk

AUSTIN MINI MOKE PICK UP SCAMP 1971 MINI VAN MINI PICK UP ESTATE COOPER PROJECT
AUSTIN MINI MOKE PICK UP SCAMP 1971 MINI VAN MINI PICK UP ESTATE COOPER PROJECT
Item Id: 380628045565
End time: 02-May-13 20:29:48 BST

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rpkuk (942)
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Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom

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It's also possible that the original builder put the type as "Mini Moke" when reporting the rebuild to the DVLC, who weren't too bothered about it.

An old registration document for my Scamp stated:-
Taxation class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Make AUSTIN
Model/Type 2-AXLE-RIGID BODY
LANDROVER/JEEP

When DVLA updated, the new document now reads:-
Make AUSTIN ( So far so good )
Model/Type ( BLANK )
Body type LIGHT 4X4 UTILITY ( )
Revenue weight 3499 KG GROSS (!!!!!! !!!!!!)
Cylinder capacity 848CC ( perhaps a little underpowered )

In the case of this seller:-
It is just possible that the DVLA (I know it's ever so unlikely) mis-translated from the original documents ie. perhaps Model/type was originally 2-AXLE-RIGID BODY
MOKE
It used to be MODEL/TYPE and the Scamp is a Moke type of vehicle.
As the seller is now aware his vehicle is actually a Scamp, he should perhaps ammend his entry.

I asked the seller if there was anything in the special notes section and apparently there is nothing. So it is possible a previous owner rebodied a rusted Moke with a Scamp kit. Any one know the wording there should be on the V5 for a genuine Moke? Of course it could just be who ever updated the documents at DVLA put Moke down as there have been all sorts of Make and Model names for Scamps over the years.

Don't forget 20 years ago Mokes (and Mini's generally) weren't as popular and worth much less then they are now so turning it into a Scamp would have been a cheap way to keep a rusty one on the road. In the mid-90's a friend of mines older sister was buying T&T'd pick-ups for £250, driving them for a few months before inevitably crashing them (she's a rubbish driver), scrapping the remains and buying a new one. Think she got through 4 or 5 over an 18 month period! Today a completely fooked one with no documents is apparently worth £500 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTIN-MINI-PICK-UP-PROJECT-SPARES-OR-REPAIRS-/321103829373

Reported to Ebay as inaacurate and potentially fraudulent.

Don't think the moke was ever sold as a pickup on the v5 . The name of the kit on the v5 was down to the builder and up to the guy from VOSA ( if that's what it was called then) to say ya or nay to the name , i have a Tici down as a Morris sports /conv one of my minibug's is down as a Austin Mini Bug ...

These guys are STILL trying to sell this Scamp     er sorry Moke    or whatever.   

Price has come down a bit, now £999 was £1695.
Still not going to press "BUY IT NOW" anytime soon.  
http://r.ebay.com/QuP7i8

Strange as i have also stated this and the same again to the two previous sellers but he remains convinced. He could probably sell you a 1300cc Fantic Chopper!

Such a nice gentleman, he even replied to my question:

why are you telling me what to do mind your own business its a f****** mini moke on the log book im selling it as what it says on there if you dont like that then dont look at it have you got nothing better to do

- mhmotorcyclebreakers

Oh, lets join the fun - I'll tell him it's not a Moke too

Thing is he is not lying if it does indeed say Moke on the V5 and this is not uncommon. I have seen one that said Scamp and Land Rover on the V5.

E-mailed - I wonder how polite he will be with his reply

I don't think he is too happy about the constructive criticism.

At least he didn't swear at me 

I'm not an expert, but I'd guess there is a legal requirement for the details in the V5 to be correct.  How do we know this guy isn't trying to flog a ringer?

OTOH, licensing authorities haven't always been over-scrupulous about kit car details: I got the impression, when I registered my Scamp, that I could have got away with calling it a Moke as far as they were concerned.  BMC (or whatever they were 40 years ago) might object if they found out, but that would have been be a civil matter between me and them.  And thanks to the Trades Descriptions Act, the car could only ever have been sold privately.

What a rude - obnoxious - arrogant so and so.

Reported all of his Mini listings to E-bay for Key Word Spamming. And I told him - so waiting for the torrent of abuse in reply.

Shop him to BMW for trade name abuse - their legal department might have some clout.

He's not a happy bunny  

you have nothing better to do if you no that others have pointed it out why did you not keep it to your self and   off im not   arsed what you or any one els thinks its a moke on the log book i really do not car what you do just go away and stop telling me   im not botherd about
going on about knowing better than me i know what it is i just want to sell it to some one who wants it for what it is
you sound like you have nothing better to do giving me a lecture on when they were first produced (get a life ) dont think you can try telling a complete stranger what to do and think that any one is going to like it



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The log book could itself be valuable, especially to somebody in possession of a stolen (real) Moke...

Isnt all this a little hypercritical, there seems to be a witch hunt by folk who have nothing better to do than contantly pick on every car for sale "thats not correctly registered" Pot and kettle for some of you/us. i seem to recall plenty of swapping may have gone on with some folk at some stage. No one ripped the do do out of these practices. ? Dont we need to relax a little, enjoy our slowly dying existance and i say slowly dying due to this habit of scrapping and selling. there wont be Any more. Lets make the most of what we have, while we have it. Play together nicely people.

AT LAST GT3 ROB shows the way, you blokes need to get a grip moaning about this reporting to Ebay about the other, it would be interested to see how many of you have put your scamps through the time machine in the past.

Interesting spelling SUMB what does arrongant mean exactly.
What a rude - obnoxious - arrongant so and so

I'd have no problem with this guy if he would take on board what people are trying to tell him.

It might well say Moke on the V5 - I've not got a problem with that at all. It's the fact he is trying to sell it as a Moke and not a MK2 Scamp that happens to state Moke on the V5. I actually believe that the V5 belongs to the car and is one of the usual DLVA cock ups.

I went to look at a Rickman Ranger a few years ago. It was tax exempt but when I got there found it was using the V5 from an Austin Ranger. The guy selling it wasn't best pleased when I told him that it was basically a ringer and I'd give him half of what he wanted for it based on the fact it was two cars that happened to share the same model name.

On a personal note I got royally screwed by E-bay for Key Work Spamming and this E-Bay seller is also doing this.

It is actually against E-bay rules to do this.

Mike W - I have amended my previous spelling error. Thank you for pointing it out as it does actually bug me when I have posted something with mistakes.

Caveat emptor!

Hopefully anyone looking to buy a Scamp will find the forum and/or owners club and learn what to look for and the issues there can be with registration.

I think most of us are usuall very helpfull and help out with all sorts. As i said before i spoke to the guy before him an he was convinced it was a moke. The main thing is there are club members/ up and comming would be owners/ dealers/ dodgy dealers and downright rogues(polite description) if its any good it will sell. But maybe newcomers could do some research before buying blind. How about someone maybe a member with more knoledge doing a artical about these cheaky little cars doing a title "Scamp buying for beginers" just to help out the few up and comming new blood to this ailing club??

Relisted with a starting price of 99p and no reserve

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380684211576

He's still keyword spamming though.

Ah well, someone might get a bargin.

Reported again.