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Post  Nitro on Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:15 am

Hello to all. Does anybody seen converted Scamp to rear wheel drive or all whell drive?

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Post  TRR Motorsport on Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:20 am

Hi Nitro,

there have been several AWD Scamps but i can't recall any RWD (yet) Laughing

Off the top of my head the AWD cars have been based on;

Suzuki SJ410/SJ413
Dihatsu fourtrack
Subaru brat
2x Mini/Metro A-series engines
Fiat Panda 4X4 running gear with engine in a metro subframe.
Morris Marina engine & box driving two Triumph Herald diffs in Metro subframes. (My favourite!)

Anymore anyone?
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Post  Nitro on Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:39 am

May be my question was not correct. I see Suzuki/Daihatsu based car. It seems to me this car built in more heavy class. The base car was constructed for off-road. Chassis is very simple for Mk3.

For example - my last Niva 4x4 based cross buggy
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/rope is for wheel aligment/
It is very heavy. I know about Scamp approximately 10 years, I like it and now think about replica building. I have rwd car for it. Motor bay is not enough for engine and I try to find any ideas. So may be I will try to find different donor

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Post  nhazelwood on Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:30 pm

Hi Nitro,

As a rough guide....if it's been fitted into a mini, it will fit into a Scamp, with plenty of swearing & hitting with a big hammer.

For common mini conversions have a look at http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/index.php

Vauxhall small block engines, 1.2l up to 1.8l (8 & 16 valve versions),
Honda Vtec engines,
Suzuki Swift,
Rover K Series,
Toyota engines,

Can all fit into the mini front subframe, with some subframe modifications.

Even the Vauxhall 2.0l redtop engine will fit into the mini subframe, with a lot of cutting & welding though.

I've gone for the simplish Vauxhall conversion, 1.4l 8v (C14NZ) 58bhp version.
A pic before the accident...showing a standard Mk2 scamp front end & modified subframe.
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James & Reg on the other hand are a pair of highly qualified lunatics & have gone the peugeot route.

At the end of the day, if you have the machining / welding abilities (looking at your workshop - you do) then almost anything is possible.

Neil
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Post  ZED on Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:56 pm

TRR Motorsport wrote:there have been several AWD Scamps but i can't recall any RWD (yet) Laughing

The Audi Turbo engine is ready to go in the Monster... but whether Reg is ready to do the actual conversion is another thing totally! Laughing Laughing
But if all goes to plan, the Monster will become a mid-engined, RWD beast! Cool


Don't bother watching this space, it might take another year before he gets on with it (lots of projects on the go). Very Happy
Elaine. Wink
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Post  GT3Rob on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:55 pm

Neil its no use quoting such engines for Nitro he is in Moscow, i would imagine cars will be a little better constructed for the weather conditions out there.

What are you planning on using you rwd buggy/scamp for?

Shame as i,d like a Zill did they make a 4x4 version?

There was a rear wheel drive mk3 suggested as ive spoken to Andrew Mc Clean about them, But none were actually produced. Austin mini based only.

Does your car/chassis have to use round tube or would you use box section like the scamp design, as i owned the blue suzuki based car but converted to a ford 4 cylinder diesel with a lot of help from a good friend.

Arent the Lada engines Alloy and do the have a transfer box couldnt you just run rear wheel drive?

I guess we need to know what your planning to used the car for and if you need petrol or diesel. Did the small suzuki jeeps get to your country?

Gt3Rob.




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Post  Nitro on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:26 pm

ZED wrote:...The Audi Turbo engine is ready to go in the Monster... but whether Reg is ready to do the actual conversion is another thing totally! Laughing Laughing
But if all goes to plan, the Monster will become a mid-engined, RWD beast! Cool


Don't bother watching this space, it might take another year before he gets on with it (lots of projects on the go). Very Happy
Elaine. Wink
AUDI engine must be installed far the front end. Engine lenght is approx. 460 mm + 180 mm the distance from engine to gear box flange to axle of differencial. It is available in Moscow in good quantities. Escort more interest for it - is is possible to shift engine to salon and take more long drive shaft.
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The first approach to official draw from one article.
May be it is more simple to use as a donor car this:
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Post  Nitro on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:41 pm

GT3Rob wrote:Neil its no use quoting such engines for Nitro he is in Moscow, i would imagine cars will be a little better constructed for the weather conditions out there.

What are you planning on using you rwd buggy/scamp for?
I want to use lite car for rapid runs on track for my pleasure.
Does your car/chassis have to use round tube or would you use box section like the scamp design, as i owned the blue suzuki based car but converted to a ford 4 cylinder diesel with a lot of help from a good friend.
Replica must be most close to original car. What is a dimension og the square tube?
Arent the Lada engines Alloy and do the have a transfer box couldnt you just run rear wheel drive? It looks like 1.5 inch. What is a thikness? May be 1/8 inch? It looks like this dimensions.

I guess we need to know what your planning to used the car for and if you need petrol or diesel. Did the small suzuki jeeps get to your country?

Gt3Rob.
It is possible to find both version - Japan and European of Suzuki. I want petrol engine, it's crankshaft rotates more quickly

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Post  Mk3rob on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:31 pm


Blimey Neil

I think you have serious compertion with Nitro's skills Very Happy
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Post  SUMB on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:19 pm

Hi Nitro,

You are quite correct, the box section for the Scamp chassis is 38.1mm (1 1/2" in imperial ) and wall thickness is approximately 2mm

The Audi turbo engine that ZED and her husband have is going to be fitted in the back of the car - making it rear wheel drive but also heading towards mid-engined.
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Post  nhazelwood on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 pm

I'm not competitive Rob, i respect initiative & pipe dreams....where would technology be without initiative Very Happy
Its not quite a Scamp.....but you get the idea.... Embarassed
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You beat me to it Chaz.... 1 1/2" square.

With regard to wall thickness, the stuff i've had to cut out of mine measured 2.64mm or 12swg as it used to be referred to.

Nitro, i spy a fellow AutoCad user......despite using Solidworks & stress analysis at work, i still do quite a bit of scheming up in good old AutoCad 2007 (i cut my designers teeth on the dos based V10). Where'd you get your engine dwg's from ?

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Post  Nitro on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:45 am

SUMB wrote:Hi Nitro,

You are quite correct, the box section for the Scamp chassis is 38.1mm (1 1/2" in imperial ) and wall thickness is approximately 2mm

The Audi turbo engine that ZED and her husband have is going to be fitted in the back of the car - making it rear wheel drive but also heading towards mid-engined.
Hi!
It is no problem to use AUDI, so we had domestic plant (buncrupted by enemies) - AZLK with similar gearbox. Lada or Renault F3R engines. I built one mid engine buggy for this engine and gearbox, so I need LWB version. If I dismount rear case for gearbox and take off the 5-th gears I can mount hand made transfer case for installing drive shaft to front end. For D3 class buggy it is using widely. But it is no good for the similar car.
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2 mm thicknes with 40 mm tube is enough strong! And heavy. For this car mass and engine power the FIA reglament advise to use more lite tube section. It has enough big reserve for safety. Solidworks is ok, but I have only AutoCAD 2004 on my working lap top. Solid works can not calculate welding seams - it looks to two tubes and seam as a one structure. Pro-Engeneer is more expensive and not available for us as a home user.
Engine is Lada-2105, gearbox from the same car. Drive shaft and rear end for Niva. It is RWD version. For AWD I do not know yet what can I use.

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Post  TRR Motorsport on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:46 pm

I did think about putting a redtop in the front of a scamp with a ford type 9 box and sunbeam running gear. but in the end though it was better fitted in a sunbeam Wink
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Post  Nitro on Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:21 am

Trying to combine two draws as one picture. It seems to me scales differs a little. I hope I can to built it for a summer. I have 2-3 bussines trip in a month and have not free time.
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May be I will make different design to combine two views.

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