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MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:25 pm

Just started the rebuild Wink of the MK3 but the I've notice how little headroom there is. I'm average size (so the wife says!) at 5'10" but there doesn't seem to be a lot of clearance under the roll bars.

I know Jono changed his rollbar for round tube.......how is everyone else coping ? Reclining Seats and a Relaxed driving postion ? Or is banging your head all part of Scamping Laughing

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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Mk3rob on Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:10 am

Hi Dave

As soon as it passed its MOT i took the angle grinder to it and cut out the forward of the two roof supports cause i kept smacking the back of my head on it!!!!! Sad

The only prob with that is if you want to fit a 1/2 solid roof panel at the front like some normally have and then have the center 6" as a drainage channel.

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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Jono on Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:37 am

..out with the angle grinder... you know you want to... Very Happy
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:12 am

Some of the early Mk1s suffered from this problem. When quizzed, Bob Mandry claimed it was a design feature intended to keep the driver awake... He may have modified it though: I certainly don't have a problem with mine, except over bumps, too fast, unbelted. scratch
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:50 pm

Jono wrote:..out with the angle grinder... you know you want to... Very Happy

Hmmm, yes but I really wanted to keep this one "standard", otherwise I'll keep changing things and never get it finished....

It's very tempting though Cool
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Martin & Nettie on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:01 am

Lack of headroom - solution - lower the seats Rolling Eyes
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Jono on Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:15 am

muttley wrote: otherwise I'll keep changing things and never get it finished....


...and your point is? Very Happy
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:44 am

Jono wrote:
muttley wrote: otherwise I'll keep changing things and never get it finished....


...and your point is? Very Happy

Very Happy Well at least on the Road and running for more than twenty minutes at a time......

Okay........I not going to do it Rolling Eyes but what diameter and type of tubing did you use ?
Did you use a hydraulic tube bender (the hand pump type), if so how did you keep the bends unform over the two side bars ? Or have you got access to some fancy CNC tube bender machinery ?

Not that I'm considering doing it..... Wink

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Scamp Injuries

Post  wezgit daan saaf on Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:40 pm

Jep! Bruises from framework or roll cages leaping out are all part of Scamping. Try wrapping the offending bits of framework in foam pipe lagging and generous ammounts of ducting tape. Either that or buy a Mk1 without a roll cage and live dangerously!!!!!!
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Martin & Nettie on Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:57 am

Two further suggestions:-

1. borrow a cycling helmet.
2. Put a power bulge in the roof to give you that extra headroom.


Joking apart a Scamp is a Scamp and no two are alike if they are someone has copied somelone else, Bob Lilly has one that you can where a top hat when driving if I remember correctly. Smile
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Jono on Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:32 am

muttley wrote:
Okay........I not going to do it Rolling Eyes but what diameter and type of tubing did you use ?
Did you use a hydraulic tube bender (the hand pump type), if so how did you keep the bends unform over the two side bars ? Or have you got access to some fancy CNC tube bender machinery ?

Not that I'm considering doing it..... Wink

Dave

Not that you're considering it..but..

1) 48.3 X 3 WT Welded C/Steel
2) Hydraulic hand pump
3) With great skill ...and judicious use of the old Mk1 "tool, alignment, universal, 14lbs, for the use of"
4) CNC ? This is the Midlands, you know.... Very Happy
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:38 am

Bob Lilley has one that you can wear a top hat when driving
Yes, and next year, with all the time in the world to fill Evil or Very Mad maybe I'll manage to get it back on the road at last!
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:11 pm

Not that you're considering it..but..

1) 48.3 X 3 WT Welded C/Steel
2) Hydraulic hand pump
3) With great skill ...and judicious use of the old Mk1 "tool, alignment, universal, 14lbs, for the use of"
4) CNC ? This is the Midlands, you know.... Very Happy

Very Happy

Not that I'm considering it..but..new cutting disc purchased........ Twisted Evil
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:34 pm

48.3 X 3 WT Welded C/Steel

That'll be 2 inch around these parts then....... Smile


Seriously, it looks larger than that....... scratch
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  nhazelwood on Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:54 am

Morning,

If you want a roll cage that looks nice & refined, ie, doesn't look like scaffold pipe, try 38.1 x 3 CDS. Thats Cold Drawn Seamless for the non engineering initiates. It's structurally a lot stronger than the normal ERW (electro-resistance welded) that most companies stock, and allows you to get away with slightly thinner sections for the same size o/d.

All rally cars have to have CDS roll cages in them, & i've seen some built out of 32 x 2.

As a side note, I've got an industrial hydraulic pipe bender in my garage....When the company i worked for last went t#t's up, quite a bit of stuff left with me !!!!!! Very Happy (Including a 3 phase chop saw). My pipe benders will cope with up the 2" gas pipe, thats approx 4mm wall & 50.8mm o/d. But i've only got a selection of dollies to go with it, not sure what sizes i've got. (No i don't mean of the Barbie type, those are my daughters!)

Muttley, i'm in birmingham, Hollywood to be exact. & i drive down the M6 to Shilton (jct2) everyday, so if you need some pipe bent let me know...

Neil
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Jono on Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:49 am

nhazelwood wrote:Morning,

If you want a roll cage that looks nice & refined, ie, doesn't look like scaffold pipe,.....

Yeah... you wouldn't want it to look as crap as mine, would you? Very Happy
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Post  Rum Tum Tugger on Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:53 am

You can bend gas pipe quite easily by fixing it across the front of your Scamp and then running into a rock... Rolling Eyes
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  nhazelwood on Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:50 pm

I wasn't passing judgement on how big section rollbars look, simply that a smaller rollbar can be made just as strong using the right materials. I'm sure your rollbar looks beautifull jono, i didn't get a chance to see it at Coney Green, i was too busy trying to keep your clean white towrope out of the mud. (Burgundy Disco in bog area)

Also smaller section rollbars leave a slightly smaller bruise when you headbutt them !!

Not that i have to worry, from my lofty vantage point of 5ft 4", i've got bags of clearance on mine !!!

Once 'Wale' has a bit more wiring done on him, and is mobile again, then i'll also be unbolting the rollcages & breaking out the welder (again, already welded in a steel scuttlepanel to stop the dashboard tray filling up with water).

I'm looking at a rollcage rather than rollbar, with removable roof panels. Pics coming soon, when the project photographer (me dad) gets his camera back from being repaired.

Cheers,

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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:48 pm

Neil,

You've just become my new best friend...... Embarassed Laughing

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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  Nic-Nic on Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:31 pm

i dont have that problem- lol--- try getting shorter- that works.

dad has to have the roof of daisy wen he drives her, cuz my seats r too tigh 4 him, and he hits his head.
one of chris's friends has to sit in the back on the seat, with the canvas of- cuz he doesnt fit in ne other way- his head pokes up through the roll cage at the back- it funny.

get shorter- deff the answer- much less technical

x
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Re: MK3 Headroom

Post  muttley on Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:10 pm

Apparently the Mk3 fits Alison.......... Twisted Evil
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